# Ep.11 Tim Heuer: on changing from evangelism to product development, making changes to his health, and the characteristics of a great PM JUNE 20TH, 2022 | 43:12 | E11 [Play](https://jlampodcast.z19.web.core.windows.net/episodes/011-tim-heuer.mp3) ### EPISODE SUMMARY Tim Heuer is a Principal PM Manager at Microsoft. A 17 year veteran of the company, Tim shares with us some pivotal moments in his life: getting healthier, transitioning from evangelism to product, moving and getting re-org'd at the company, becoming a people manager, and creating a healthy work-life balance. ### EPISODE NOTES ## Link Link to the [full-text transcript](https://share.descript.com/view/4eYM13ArJF3) ## Show Chapters - A Pivotal Moment: Getting Healthy 01:32 - Writing down calories in and calories out 03:00 - Tim's first adult bicycle 04:33 - One in, one out 06:37 - Change can be more permanent if you do it with others 07:39 - Early career: developer evangelism 08:54 - Into the lion's den: Open Source 10:08 - Better ways to learn from our field organization 12:31 - How to listen to your biggest fans 16:07 - A Pivotal Moment: moving from evangelism to product 17:49 - The ship bug 18:57 - Some career advice 21:22 - A Pivotal Moment: moving into people management 22:22 - Finding time for IC work 23:45 - Beginner's mind 25:37 - Tip: creating separation between work and home 27:12 - It's not just people that change, organizations can change too 30:10 - A Pivotal Moment: someone saw something in Tim 31:48 - Old tools vs. new tools: which are more productive? 35:12 - Access 2.0 36:47 - Low code vs. high code vs. ? 38:34 - Pickleball: An outsized amount of joy 40:33 ## Links from the show - Tim's [Twitter](https://twitter.com/timheuer) - Tim's [Web Site](https://timheuer.com/) - [OSCON 2006: The Lion's Den](https://timheuer.com/blog/post-13224) - [Moots Cycles](https://moots.com/) - [Pickleball in NYT](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/14/business/pickleball-courts-private-development.html) ## Music credits –––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– Track: Lost In Medina — Amine Maxwell [Audio Library Release] Music provided by Audio Library Plus Watch: [https://youtu.be/qNSdpqSkRe4](https://youtu.be/qNSdpqSkRe4) Free Download / Stream: [https://alplus.io/lost-medina](https://alplus.io/lost-medina) ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––