# Ep.12 Jill Jacobson: on UX Design at Microsoft, her circuitous journey to UX design from industrial design, and rediscovering joy from creative pursuits JUNE 27TH, 2022 | 49:14 | E12 [Play](https://jlampodcast.z19.web.core.windows.net/episodes/012-jill-jacobson.mp3) ### EPISODE SUMMARY Jill shares with us her story of resilience and grit that leads to her current position as a Senior UX Designer at Microsoft. Jill turned the disappointment of being fired from her first job in industrial design into a successful career designing some of the most complex user interfaces at Microsoft. ### EPISODE NOTES ## Show Chapters [Full-text transcript](https://share.descript.com/view/W8iybbr0D6V) - Intro (00:36) - The mystery of the churning Jupyter notebook users (01:45) - The importance of understanding your users (09:32) - From an aptitude test in high school to industrial design (13:05) - Learning industrial design at Western Washington University (15:10) - First job out of college (17:59) - Getting fired from her first job (20:15) - Becoming an intern again (22:04) - An opportunity to learn what she really wanted to do (22:48) - A crash course in becoming a UX Designer, on the job (27:05) - Why team is more important than technology (30:22) - Jill is now a full-time employee! (36:03) - On rediscovering things that bring us joy (38:16) - How to optimize your Kindle experience (41:03) - An outsized amount of joy: a plain air tripod (45:05) - Conclusion (47:33) - Outtro (48:43) ## Links from the show - [Jill's Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/jilljacmakes/) - Jill's web site - [AIMS Aptitude Testing](https://www.aimstesting.org/faq#:~:text=Aptitude%20Inventory%20Measurement%20Service%20(AIMS,high%20school%20and%20college%20students.) - [Libby](https://www.overdrive.com/apps/libby) - [Story Graph](https://app.thestorygraph.com/) ## Music credits –––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– Track: Lost In Medina — Amine Maxwell [Audio Library Release] Music provided by Audio Library Plus Watch: [https://youtu.be/qNSdpqSkRe4](https://youtu.be/qNSdpqSkRe4) Free Download / Stream: [https://alplus.io/lost-medina](https://alplus.io/lost-medina) ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––