# Ep.12 Jill Jacobson: on UX Design at Microsoft, her circuitous journey to UX design from industrial design, and rediscovering joy from creative pursuits
JUNE 27TH, 2022 | 49:14 | E12
[Play](https://jlampodcast.z19.web.core.windows.net/episodes/012-jill-jacobson.mp3)
### EPISODE SUMMARY
Jill shares with us her story of resilience and grit that leads to her current position as a Senior UX Designer at Microsoft. Jill turned the disappointment of being fired from her first job in industrial design into a successful career designing some of the most complex user interfaces at Microsoft.
### EPISODE NOTES
## Show Chapters
[Full-text transcript](https://share.descript.com/view/W8iybbr0D6V)
- Intro (00:36)
- The mystery of the churning Jupyter notebook users (01:45)
- The importance of understanding your users (09:32)
- From an aptitude test in high school to industrial design (13:05)
- Learning industrial design at Western Washington University (15:10)
- First job out of college (17:59)
- Getting fired from her first job (20:15)
- Becoming an intern again (22:04)
- An opportunity to learn what she really wanted to do (22:48)
- A crash course in becoming a UX Designer, on the job (27:05)
- Why team is more important than technology (30:22)
- Jill is now a full-time employee! (36:03)
- On rediscovering things that bring us joy (38:16)
- How to optimize your Kindle experience (41:03)
- An outsized amount of joy: a plain air tripod (45:05)
- Conclusion (47:33)
- Outtro (48:43)
## Links from the show
- [Jill's Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/jilljacmakes/)
- Jill's web site
- [AIMS Aptitude Testing](https://www.aimstesting.org/faq#:~:text=Aptitude%20Inventory%20Measurement%20Service%20(AIMS,high%20school%20and%20college%20students.)
- [Libby](https://www.overdrive.com/apps/libby)
- [Story Graph](https://app.thestorygraph.com/)
## Music credits
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Track: Lost In Medina — Amine Maxwell [Audio Library Release]
Music provided by Audio Library Plus
Watch: [https://youtu.be/qNSdpqSkRe4](https://youtu.be/qNSdpqSkRe4)
Free Download / Stream: [https://alplus.io/lost-medina](https://alplus.io/lost-medina)
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