# Ep. 13 Rong Lu: from Engineer to PM to Manager, her 16+ year journey at Microsoft JULY 11TH, 2022 | 41:00 | E13 [Play](https://jlampodcast.z19.web.core.windows.net/episodes/013-rong-lu.mp3) ### EPISODE SUMMARY Rong is a PM Manager at Microsoft and a 16+ year veteran of Developer Division. This is the story of her journey from engineer to PM to PM Manager, and from China to the United States. ### EPISODE NOTES ## Show Chapters [Full-text transcript](https://share.descript.com/view/rn88DVvncmV) - Intro (00:36) - What is a PM? (00:58) - Remote is hard (03:39) - Pivotal Moment #1: Moving to Redmond (04:46) - Great Managers (07:24) - From Feature Team to Cross-Team Collaboration (08:23) - Owning cross-company collaboration (10:44) - From acquisition to a partnership playbook (16:39) - Creating the Visual Studio Code C++ Extension (17:30) - Pivotal Moment #2: Becoming a Manager (21:05) - Autonomy vs. Directed (23:58) - Has your perception of a manager changed much now that you are one? (25:04) - Situational Leadership (26:16) - Coaching vs. autonomy (30:27) - Pivotal Moment #3: Dev to PM (32:47) - What brought Rong outsized joy (37:12) - Outtro (39:46) ## Links from the show - [A Great Boss is hard to find, difficult to leave, and impossible to forget](https://thriveglobal.com/stories/a-great-boss-is-hard-to-find-difficult-to-leave-and-impossible-to-forget/) - [Send me feedback!](mailto:[email protected]) ## Music credits –––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– Track: Lost In Medina — Amine Maxwell [Audio Library Release] Music provided by Audio Library Plus Watch: [https://youtu.be/qNSdpqSkRe4](https://youtu.be/qNSdpqSkRe4) Free Download / Stream: [https://alplus.io/lost-medina](https://alplus.io/lost-medina) ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––